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Subject: TOS update

tammymc opened this issue on Mar 01, 2004 ยท 134 posts


Armorbeast posted Thu, 11 March 2004 at 5:42 AM

The issue in regards to cg nudity often comes down to the meshes...forgive me,but I have yet to find a way to "extract a mesh" from an image created by one!What is a paint brush if not wood and horse hair,a camera but plastic and glass,a pencil but...my point is that all including cg meshes are tools and its not the tools at issue but the images created by them!!!

People say its harmless...so why ban "any" image created using meshes and if you ban one-why did you make that choice?Was the choice to ban sex or images of male erections based on the fact that they were cg meshes...no,they were decisions based on the fact that the images represented "living beings"!!!

I spoke with a "European" who had this view that we Americans are too prudish about child nudity...I asked him if children were willingly posing for these images,if they had the maturity to make such a decision and who other than adults were benefitting from these images!He agreed on all points that it wasn't the childs decision,that they weren't old enough to decide and that only the adults benefitted-but it wasn't their decision to make he said and that their parents had every right to force them to do this if they didn't want to because it was a parents right!!If that makes me a prude...then thank god I'm an American!!!

People love to point at classic art without realising how much of this is actually a "result" of censorship!The imagery we see from Rome and Greece is only a fraction of what is known...and much of it is never promoted as art because of its erotic or pornographic nature.Erect phalluses were common everywhere in the imagery of ancient Rome as was pornography of all types...what we see today as representing ancient artisans is only what has been dubbed "suitable" by previous generations.Nor do people who speak of classic European artists point out that most of those we know were commissioned by wealthy/powerful people who protected them...what of the rest who were imprisoned,tortured or made pariahs because they lacked such support when they did controversial images!!?

To argue that some images should be banned for a specified reason and that others shouldn't when the exact same reason applys to them is ridiculous...you don't have to be a moralist,a christian or even a victim of child molestation to see a contradiction!!I for one wanted "standards" on rosity to clearly define a difference between images deemed acceptible for adult nude imagery and child nude imagery...yet,some people think thats wrong?

Somehow I think the view here revolves around what makes the image...or maybe a skewed view of art over the centuries!Its not what makes the image...its the image itself and what it represents!As for art from the past...heard the exact same arguments from photographers trying to justify bestiality,pornography and yes...even child nudity!Same argument...different means of creating it is all!

I can sum this up in one question...how many people would consider an image featuring a nude 30 year old cg man holding a nude three year old cg child "provocatively posed"
wrong?Then to take it one step further...its only a 3d mesh,so why not have an image of these same two characters engaged in sex???You can argue that pornographic cg images of adults should be banned because our "standards" in society for such imagery won't allow it...yet,those same standards say that nude images of children are also unacceptible and its not the same thing because its not real-the reason porn images are banned isn't that they are real,its because they represent something real and images of nude children are no different!!!

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