with displacement I can create the waves, bump maps was more for small effects of the surface and don't really change the geometry while rendering as displacement that can change total small plane to what you wish.. self to a city.. I figured out with animated bump maps how to get the ice water effect with little waves as well but still not what I plan do to.

see scene rendered in one minute using Poser5 only.. the textures are only for the animals tree and the terrain and sky the water effect is only bump map with reflection node scaled down for different effects.. the surface use also little diffuse color to get the light blurred and create more "ice" water effect and this works as well without post productions and very quick.. in animation test the "ic movement are very nice and the movement looks almost real.

I rework right now the whole universe prop to get bigger dimension and small polygons models to get the right speed of rendering not only animations..

cath

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