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Subject: TOS update

tammymc opened this issue on Mar 01, 2004 ยท 134 posts


Ratteler posted Fri, 12 March 2004 at 1:55 PM

Attached Link: http://www.etsu.edu/philos/classes/rk/modernzenith/adobejpgimages/28deathcamplarge.jpg

Armor, I don't know where you get your information from, but the change in the TOS comes at the same time as the passing of a LAW that restricts that kind of image. I assume it is in compliance with this law that the TOS has has been changed. If R'osity had made this change as the result of you or any other group of users complaints, I would be flaming them full blast for catering to any ONE's moral sensibility. It would be like letting the Taliban dictate what could be posted here. There is no difference between what fanatic seeks to control what people are allowed to see. Be it their religion, or lack of it. "If you argue there should be censorship of any kind then you have just destroyed the very heart of your own argument!!!" Why? Because YOU say so? The line I draw is a very sensible one. Do I hurt some one in creating my art? In the case of any 3D representation, the answer is NO. In the case of photography the answer is yes. "Part of a successful ad campaign is to find the right image or combination of images to inspire a desire in consumers for what is being offered... in the ad biz there is no separation of pencil,cg,airbrush or photo-they are all viewed the same as the images are designed solely to entice the viewer into desiring what they see!!" You have OBVIOUSLY never worked in advertising. I have. I've had arguments over which shade of blue something should be, and over how saturated the reds are. No separation between pencil,cg,airbrush or photo? Are you INSANE? You talk about a medium who first law is Marshall McLuhan's famous phrase "The Medium is the Message". Ask a dropout advertising major, and they know those styles are NO WHERE NEAR interchangeable. "I'm not sure... but bet you don't do images of nude children in your work do you-if not,maybe that shows that even you draw a line you choose not to cross?" The point is that *I* get choose that line. Where ever I draw it is my business as long as I don't hurt some one else doing it. Now I don't have that choice. Did we suddenly cure every pedophile because we took away their CHOICE to be one? Of course not. You don't change a person's mind by silencing them. I CERTAINLY am not going to create or post images I find personally offencive. But looking at your examples: "an image of a group of klansmen lynching a black man in cg,a woman being gang raped by a group of black men or a child being molested by an adult white male." Every one of those images can be used to show the horror or the situation. They can make you sympathies with the victim and as a result tech you that doing those things is wrong. But not if you don't allow them to be created because you don't like the subject matter. Only a Klansman would look at the lynching and see some thing positive. Only the rapist would be aroused by gang rape. Only the pedophile would see themselves in the image of the child molester. A pervert can see a child being molested in a ink spot, or the cracks in his ceiling in the same way a religious nut can Jesus sweat stain. Are we all supposed to pay the price for one person being a pervert? Are we ALL guilty because some one is. Cain didn't kill Able in the Bible because he saw a picture of a murder. He did it because he chose to, and THAT was the sin. It wasn't the THOUGHT of killing Able that made him evil and wrong, it was the ACT he chose to do. It is you who are wrong. None of you arguments hold up to any form of logic. How DARE you think that your opinion is some how more valid than mine because it fits in with your own narrow faith or belief system. Everything you said can be summed up in one sentence. You're not allowed to talk about that. Well I believe I should be allowed to discuss ANYTHING, and YOU are no better than me to tell me otherwise. If we lived by your rules there would be no civilization because EVERYTHING humanity has become is based on our ability to WARN each other about the dangers in our world. You seek to end that communication, and all the lessons that go with it under some delusion that if you don't talk about maybe it won't happen. Check out the link above if you horrible images so badly. A Nazi would see and say it was picture of a great achievement. A Prude would see it and it was bad because it's got naked people in it. Me... I see it as an example of what can happen if you don't stand your ground and fight every day for rights against those who think they are right just because THEY say so. I see a lesson that a simple lack of communication can cause the death of millions. What do you see?