come to www.egroups.com and check out the vuedesprit list! You can use it in web-only form which makes it a lot like a forum, and it has some really great info and some of the key vue community folks participating (guitta and varian for instance). The PFO has changed its bryce forum to include Vue but there's only a couple people there who are good with Vue so far (and bloodsong is one of them, lol!). I'm also staying here because this has historically been a fabulous vue resource and I'm hoping it can continue to be despite the current woes. So Wagner, I hope you'll think about staying on the vue board here even if you're staying out of the galleries (I dont' post to galleries or freestuff here, haven't for a while, out of concerns about ownership, but it doesn't keep me out of the forums! :) MaryCanary