You're gonna have to spin your XYZ scale b_t, for the Hyacinth (not too difficult_select body_ scale) It's quite hard when your working from non-comparative photos, but I bow to your knowledge. I have seen one picture of the hyacinth with a larger head _ and others not. I'm happy with the size of the other heads. Deecey_ I've seen pictures of the eclectus and agree they are rather georgeous.The beak shape is not disimilar to the macaw, but the body would need to be squater. I'd love to do an African Grey_ I love its subtle patterning. If I'm going to stretch this thread here's the military macaw!! *grins*