heyas; no, that's okay, keep going. with all these replies to 'bloodsong's vue free stuff,' it looks like i have TONS of adoring fans just clamoring for me!! :) 'course... when i actually read the thread, yer all just ignoring me :/ :P!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) ironbear: hang around, bud. did you know e-on has a vue demo? why don'tcha try it? come on, what could one little render do to harm ya? ;) it's free...!