Edgenet aren't "new" owners. They've been the owners for at least a year. I don't know if they were the owners back when Willow et al were maintaining the site. I think the greatest amount of confusion and animosity is created from Edgenet's silence when things are going great. We only hear about them when they have to defend themselves. It would be nice, for instance, if Edgenet would put a little something on their corporate page about Renderosity as a sign that this site really does mean something to them. Jack and Ed may have been the voice of Renderosity but to what capacity? Were they being paid by Edgenet? I doubt it. As far as I know, they were willing (and at the end, overzealous) volunteers--in the same way that I am the voluntary (and unpaid) voice, moderator, and den-mommy of Bryce4all. If in the future I leave my post at Bryce4all, I won't start an email campaign to smear the reputation of The Internet Eye (the real owner of the site). Both times that there has been a change of hands at Renderosity a holy war has started among a small group of artists who are loyal to the moderator and not to the community or site as a whole. We should be extremely grateful for the time and effort that has been put into creating, maintaining, and modifying this site. OK. I've said my peace. =-)