I don't want to argue but I'd like to set the record straight the way I remember it. I agree it's a moot point now, but I don't like untruths fostering and eventually becoming "fact." "Not as a hard fact but, yes, I know it as a rational assumption that in the course of wranglings in one of the longest threads at Poser Pros-- someone mentioned the unexpected restrictions on competition and a person from Daz-- might have been Dan Farr-- said as a matter of fact we are working on a renderering package." Someone mentions another rendering package in one of the longest threads known to mankind which, BTW, was about the P5 EULA, and one is supposed to assume that's the reason DAZ doen't make P5 items? I don't think so; I'll stick with what DAZ actually said was the reason. "Curious Labs eventually offered DAZ the service for free" I don't remember this ever happening. Last I heard, CL said the price was "negotiable." I doubt it was ever negotiated down to "free." "Then DAZ refused the offer, and announced their own product: DAZ Studio. From the start, many people vowed to skip Poser 5 and wait for DAZ Studio." This is way off. DAZ didn't announce DS right after the EULA debates. It was months or maybe even a year afterwards. And "from the start" people vowed to stay away from P5 because of its various problems, not because of DS. As stated, DS was officially announced long afer P5's release. And when it was announced, DAZ stated it would be a loooong time before release. Again, this is how I remember it. I could have missed something; if I did someone please correct me (with fact please or, if it's your opinion, say it's your opinion). I still believe DAZ doesn't develop for P5 because they (or their lawyers) feel they can't because of certain wording in P5's EULA. That is what they said and it also makes sense. Why would the biggest Poser content creator not go forward otherwise? To wait for a program they themselves said was years away? I don't think so.