I've only really 2 things to say about this whole thing: 1. This was EN's 2nd chance. I supported them through the previous time they screwed the admin over, due to other reasons, and no, I'm not going to go into those and add to the flames raging. Again, this was their 2nd chance, and unfortunately they again betrayed our trust. Yes they are out to make money, but would you invest in a company with dodgy ethics? 2. Jack and Ed have never done anything to abuse our trust in them in the last 12 months. They have often and always included us, the community, in decisions regarding the community. Given those 2 points, I'll be visiting Jack and Ed's site, and as I have only a limited time to devote to visiting forum sites, it will be the only one. Shae