Thank you Jeff for the name! I will check out his books in case they are what I'm looking for. Bast Thank you for the info about the on-line courses and their history. I prefer to have the lessons in hand to learn from, than on the internet. I have had such experiences too. The internet is still a very chancy place, so quickly changing huh, kinda like the hand that spins the penny. I will remember what you have told me though!