I hope this didn't sound like I was hijacking the thread. I would be mortified if I stepped on any toes. I don't think I did but I just wanted to make sure. I have used cloth a lot. It is frustrating and fun at the same time. With long bouts of calculating inbetween. :) diolma: Your adjustment to the "Stretch Resistance" to increase or decrease the droop IS A GREAT ONE! I will use that tidbit a lot. It is amazing how you can use something for a long time and think you have your way figured out. Then someone comes along and says something that makes you smack yourself in the forhead with an open palm and say "DOH". All the best, Joe