LOL, LawnDartx2 - my experience with the cloth room tends to be one of 3 things: o - It works 1st time. This is rare. o - It works fine after a few goes, if you tweak this and pull that. Most of the time I have an inkling of which dial to play with, just never know by how much or in which direction (and I always forget to write down the settings). This is fairly common. o - I end up with either a frozen poser (with the cloth-room in an infinte loop), or a confused mass of jumbled mesh with poke-thru, poke-in, poke some other way and similar mesh mess-ups (hmm. Try saying "mesh mess-ups" 3 times quickly..:-)). This is usual. VERY occasionally, I stumble on something that works.. Cheers, Diolma