Toolmakersteve I dont mean to come of sounding like an Ass but I have done that,.. to the nTH degree went thru many tutorials went thru a lot on the forums,..at the current stage it just didnt seem feasible or resource able to do it the way I envisioned it,... I might not have described in the most clear way,.. I get on rants at times.... BUT thank you for taking the time to reply :) I appreicate it Blarghd