zescanner, :)... I'll admit to being partially guilty to having advanced modeling skills from other applications. I'm trained in traditional media but I'm making the transistion to digital media, or should I say... adding it to my repertoire. I'm a Lightwave 3D user (admittedly a new Lightwave user at that) and and Rhino 3D user. I've also dabbled with a few other 3D programs such as Hash Animation Master. As far as Bryce goes I still don't have the materials lab or deep texture editor completely figured out and there are some tools like the meta balls I haven't even touched yet. There is a depth/possibility to a lot of the tools that I've only begun to explore. (Damn, do I really need to sleep... well, I'd miss creative resource in dreaming I suppose.) Some of the objects in the image I posted above were created in Rhinoceros 3D and imported into Bryce.