well i have an old poser 4 bought from a former user at cheap price (else i could not have get it at all at the time) but due to the price of update and complexity of propack or p5 i wouldn't even considering using any of the two above. btw i heard curious lab repacked poser 4 under the name of "poser artist" and that it can be foud at 80$ or something like that (god, it is the price i paid for a used version), but i found no website selling it at such price at all (wanted to make a gift for friend's birthday to corrupt him to posermania and join me). can anyone know at which online store (shippin' europe at least) i can find a correectly priced/or a cheap priced version of Poser artist. asking for a store advice may be against the TOS and like asking for pirated copies, i guess ? i so, sorry, remove the post