OK, will add that to try. I did get the file open in WordPerfect. It was horrendously long, but only had 2 types of lines f and v, IIRC. I'd thought of another way to get the effect I want but haven't tried that yet either. Got sidetracked on a couple of projects for other people (beta-testing and such) which were more immediate. This doesn't have time pressure, just something which will be really, really, really cool if we can get it to work. Thanks, Carolly