[Not in response to any particular post above.] I have read Daz comments, both in the lengthy locked thread initiated by movida, that developed into a meltdown between rbtwhiz and Anton: forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=3402 and in Bryan's "official" thread in the Commons: forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?p=30299 As a longtime technologist, I find DAZ' actions entirely reasonable. Unfortunately, the concerns raised by Anton and others are also well-founded. I have tried to point out the validity and depth of such concerns, drawing on my experience inside other companies, in posts in the latter thread. My hope is that a public discussion of fundamental tensions in this situation, will lead to something positive. At minimum, to fewer sudden surprises. So, wander on over there, and add YOUR two cents :-D