Thanks guys, the pic was a big help too. I did some looking on the web but didn't finfd anything too helpful. The reference I have says "6 nails are ideal", but they also show 8, like compiler's! That is the P4 horse, I never got mine far enough to be possable (but it did have foot detail, per the pic, even at this early stage). Yep, heels are out for the horse, but maybe something in a nice flat sandal... ;-)