I should have known it was aol, I have constent problems with their interface. Gonwaki, I do all of that on a regular bases; like every time I go of line. I have to to keep aol's internet adapter going. It's happend a few times, the first couple I just blew off. It sure sounds like its time for me to change ISPs. oh, I still haven't learned how to do a screen capture, never had a need to know how. Stacy, I appresiate the intent but I can usually get back on after four hours. Now that I know whats up, I wont get so upset about it, at least not with renderosity.