Hi Jeff I am sorry to see its you having to field all the "crap" that is flying in as I have the highest of respect for you and your work. However, from what I have read all over these Forums the personal attacks have been coming from all sides and sometimes - though lacking foul language - far worse than Dillinger's IMHO. My questions are fundamentally serious and will probably remain unanswered to the further detriment of Renderosity's credibility as an open Graphics Art site. No doubt there is some justification somewhere in Edgenet's defence of their actions and in their ongoing PR disaster which has been deepened by their hands-on venture into crises management, but I cannot help wondering just how many of their prospective clients they are currently directing to this site? Or what impact this is having on the wider commercial Graphics community who might be prospective purchasers or clients? I mean "Show Trials" for God's sake! Regards STORM