Out of interest, some thought son lights. The default set of 3 infinite lights are pretty useless for this kind of set (actually for quite a lot of uses!). Traditionally one is told that to be used one has to set the walls to not cast shadows, or place the lights almost vetrically (casting small but unusually dark shadows due to lack of radiosity or similar). Obviously even in this scenario the floor and ceiling would still have to be set to not cast shadows. Many local spotlights, places within the room can much more accurately create the kind of effect one generally wants of such a scene, but as has been noted can be something of a chore to set up. NB one creates a light THEN changes it to the kind of light one wants. I can't help but wonder, mildly, if anyone has tried setting up any kind of light to cast a fraction of a shadow rather than making walls not cast shadows. Say, set the "Shadow" dial to 0.5, or 0.25. That way we'd get partially lit shadows, wouldn't we, even from just a few infinite lights? Food for thought, something to play around with when I've got more time... Cheers, Cliff