gunsan, your frog is wonderfull, I like it very much. Your pp here is a detailed example of what I understand under final operations, adding eyes is adding a soul to the creature. IMO, it has a place in the fractal galery, because the main element IS fractal. If you have more experience in UF for example, you could make your enviroinment there. About "Trough the diamond gateway", I think if you were using bird shapes, not a sample,the effect would be better. If you have any questions, IM. Have a great day, Lisa