Thank you for all of your help. Karen and the rest...First I made the face in the face room and applied it to the Judy model. Hence, in the material room I worked with that, ignoring the original head. Thinking about it,I gave the original head the same settings as the other one. Now, in rendering in P4 settings I get "nubs" where the eyelashes should be but in firefly I still get nothing. Now, if I could find a way to lengthen them I might have the problem partially solved. Is there something I should look for in the firefly settings? I did try setting to zero and I do get a solid, so it does indicate that the lashes are still there and yes I did check to see if the transpariency was selected properly. Thanks to all for taking the time to make suggestions. jayhawk