IMHO, anyone that wants to do away with the rating and ranking systems can simply not check the boxes for comments and rankings when they upload an image. If they do that, then there is no system for that image. I have not checked the ranking box on any of my images for a long, long time. I personally think that they are pointless, so I don't let my images be ranked. I also think that if the Hot 20 really bothers anyone that much, then they should simply stop looking in there. If you know that what you see is going to upset you, why would you go look? You're setting yourself up to be upset. I look in on the Hot 20 maybe once or twice every two or three months, just to see what's in there. Just for fun. If there is something in there that I don't think belongs, you know what I do? I shrug my shoulders, don't click on that image, and move on! It's really quite simple. And as for objectivity, I personally will not (anymore) submit my artwork to a site that has someone look over it to determine whether or not it is good enough to be on that site. Art is subjective. Let the viewer decide whether they like it or not. Renderosity remains objective by allowing it's members to post any of their works, within Renderosity's TOS, and also allows the artist to decide whether to let anyone who views that image make a comment. And as for the Hot 20, if you don't like it, don't vote on any images, or look at it. That way, that person doesn't have to deal with it. I want to say that I'm sorry if I've come across a little too strong. That was not my intention. I've seen so many threads here about the comments, rankings, and Hot 20. If someone doesn't like them or agree with them, then they shouldn't allow rankings or comments, or look in on the Hot 20. Just my $1.25 Mike