ok, I might try that as well, but the problem I've been runnin into is that I have 56k and one phone line, thus downloading most of these programs are a problem, I'll just about have to buy. I've already got and played a little with Wings, I haven't quite got the hang of it yet though. Truespace is about 23 megabytes, so that's a tid impossible for me to get right now. Anywho, thanks, and I'll try to see what I can do before saving a few years to afford Max...