I love flame fractals so much I took all the standard fractals off my website and have now dedicated it solely to my flames. www.arcanefractals.com Quite early on I found that for some reason that no matter how beautiful a flame may be, to my eye it almost always looked a bit lonely sitting by itself. So I started creating flames and putting them together to make compositions. It was for me quite a natural evolution to combine pure flames. It takes me days, sometimes weeks to find a flame with wow factor. This involves using mostly the mutation windows and speed controls. (I had never moved triangles around until last night). Then several hours playing with colour and lighting. For me that is the crucial bit. I think too, a really good title can never be underestimated to help evoke a feeling or atmosphere or help define the fractal. By the time I have finished with my flame fractal I am well and truly owner of it because I know that it wasn't something that took me five minutes to knock up by randomly hitting a few buttons, but rather took me a huge amount of effort and time plus imagination. Yes the generator is making the flames, but I am choosing, eliminating and tweeking fractals to my taste which ultimately influences the final outcome. For every action (mine) there is a reaction. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Keith. I found them and also Agnes's really interesting. Keep flaming :-) Fran