But you have to draw the line somewhere, and you can do wonders with textures and bump maps... ;-) Anyway, here is how the shoes finished up. I did do a set of morphs for the hooves to get them perfectly flat, and to allow for the toe clip (which I did put in the shoes). I also put another material on the shoes faces to allow them to be "shiny", as I gather they would get from normal wear. Many thanks for the help, guys! If I ever start working on my horse I'll be asking for alot more.