I think it is very simple to go around that thing. Give me the community and i will set up different ids easily. I am sure. I setup one at home, one in the office for example. And one with a Yahoo address, one with my address at t-online, one for web.de etc etc. How can you stop that? I think the problem lies somewhere else and can't be solved really. Lets try to convince the mods and admins that they publish all people that use their multiple ids to vote for their own and for other images. I am sure that this information can be pulled out of the system. Lets be good examples! First i don't like these dark intimations about "heads in the sand" or victims. Maybe i am not intelligent enough to understand that. I want clear facts on the table, not guesses. So please speak clear and based on facts! Second. I would like that Rick explains why he fights so heavily against multi ids but has two (i know of) as well. And uses them regularily (last login of "photogroup" was 03/26/2004). Is that the good example we should give? I ask for that because i am tired of these discussions, knowing that the person that demands the rules heavily is not following those himself. A question of fairness and "good example". Personal statement I always try to imagine how somebody does that. Logs in with different ids and vote for their own or someone elses images. What a sad scene. They know exactly that they can't make it by themselves and that they need to cheat. I only feel sorry for these people and i really think they need help. THIS IS A HOBBYIST COMMUNITY, not a war zone. Walther

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