Wow SWAMP, I don't know how to thank you!! Dark Whisper and DAZ should make you out a check for the support YOU provided for his product! I didn't even think to check on 3D Universe for an update especially after he had stated he's not supporting it anymore and that any questions we had should be addressed to DAZ. Well, I just installed the SR1 and it works!! I can't believe it, thank you for all the insight and help! Hmm, not sure if I was asked to install VB with MPE either, I just saw I had all those .exe's in the same folder with MPE on a backup cd along with comctl32 and comdlg32 and figured I had installed them :)