Attached Link: http://screamdesign.daz3d.com/emails/zine3_27_04.html?refid=214859741

I really hope that is a joke. I'd like to know what the DAZ merchants have to say about this. From my understanding, the images supplied for the store are there to sell that product, not make DAZ and some third party extra money because the third party can, "... use them ... as beautiful clip art for print or web."

"unlimited access to all the images on the DAZ original images on our website" The link provided takes you to the DAZ original products, meaning DAZ products or products the merchant sold to DAZ so they can do as they like with them. However, who's to say someone will not just get carried away and right-click and save anything they like, even from the other brokered products, no mention of them is made on Scream design so someone not in the know will barely be able to tell the difference. I don't want to be a Cassandra but it's not going to be pretty.

gotta keep paying those Daz Studio programmers some how. sorry bad joke. not going to be pretty is right, they should have data mined their own site and given the people access to all those specific images.

The whole thing is really silly in my opinion.

must be a joke! aprils coming up!

I'm SURE! :-)

We are currently working on getting this issue clarified. However since daz is closed on weekends this may take til Monday. Sorry for the inconvience J.Greenlees Daz Forum Team

Edited: Anton, Thank you for your concern, as I said, we are on top of it. J.Greenlees

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Condensing type and fixing typos. Stormrage, relax I am just discussing. -------------------------------- Okay I just read the text at the link. What are they thinking? What about popups of patterns and textures like Moyra's webjewels? or logos and symbols artists use for their signature on images? People from the web are not going to have any idea what "Daz Original" means. They are just going to think they can use everything. I suppose this could be harmless but it seems very poorly though out. There aren't even any restrictions listed. I wish I never sold my Egyptian Stuff.

Condensing type and fixing typos. Stormrage, relax I am just discussing. -------------------------------- Okay I just read the text at the link. What are they thinking? What about popups of patterns and textures like Moyra's webjewels? or logos and symbols artists use for their signature on images? People from the web are not going to have any idea what "Daz Original" means. They are just going to think they can use everything. I suppose this could be harmless but it seems very poorly though out. There aren't even any restrictions listed. I wish I never sold my Egyptian Stuff. ***** We definitely understand the concern. We sent e-mails hours ago asking DAZ to please clarify what was meant in the newsletter precisely because of concerns you listed and others as well. Because DAZ doesn't open until Monday, we have to sit back and wait until they are available to get this resolved. Thanks for everyone's patience, Cres

Minor update: I've also talked with some of the DAZ Admins and they are on this as well to get this resolved as fast as possible.

O.O whoa....that would theoretically mean you dont even have to render anymore just copypaste the pic..sorry clip art..from DAZ....O.O whoa

The second (c 1990) computer company I contracted for was Broderbund, doing clip art for 3 of the expansion packs to PrintShop: school, holiday, business editions. We were generous with what was included, but it was all original, done expressly for that purpose. The purchaser used what was in the package... not running loose like a sticky-fingered 3-year-old in a candy store. If DAZ wants to give away clip art, it should contract for appropriate images, cleanly formatted, and set side a special subscriber's area for that purpose. There are online sites with both paid and free clip art or fonts, but they are in designated areas. Since the DAZ site already has areas for tutorials and galleries and forums, a clip art section ought to be a matter of thoughtfulness and a bit of coding. Were any of the brokers alerted? Carolly

I knew it didn't sound just right. I think the intention was to get screamdesign people interested in Daz Studio, but with the wording it seemed like an open call to come take images. Just about the same post went up at Daz commons from my family so anyone who reads there will know as well.

Carolly, those we can reach, the brokers (thru our PA forum), as everyone else (through this thread and at the DAZ forums), have been notified that we are working on getting this resolved. It is the weekend, so we may not be able to get a response till Monday. Cris Palomino DAZ|Forum Team

Yes, well, if you're going to make a sudden, confusing announcement it's always best to do it on a Friday and then take off for the weekend... sigh bonni

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Here we go again with another DAZ blooper. sigh

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I agree with DarkElegence...how in the hell is anyone supposed to keep up with copyright infringers, now that this cat is out of the bag. If this isn't problematic already...~sigh~ and ~eyeroll~ For those unscrupulous(sp?) people, buying would never occur, just rc & copy & paste....I'm still trying to get my jaw off the floor with this one.

You and me both, dlk!!

I don't want to know how many are already shopping there - I can almost hear the mouse clicks ... >:(. NOT funny.

It's got to be an upcoming April Fools joke, Daz couldn't possibly be so stupid

Hmmmm I wonder how e.g. an Advertising/Design company contacted to create a marketing package of images and graphics for say Pepsi would feel if Pepsi subsequently allowed those images to be used as clipart (either free or for a fee). I bet the Advertising/Design company would ask for compensation or further payments from Pepsi as the images were intended for a specific use. Pepsi may own the images but only for a specified use. Thereafter, I suspect further fees or royalties might well apply. This looks like the beginning of a Pandora's Box!

I feel sorry for all the artists..this has the potential to be the nightmare from hell!!!! Like this crap isn't a nightmare anyway :( This will make it nearly impossible to tell who's infringing & who is not with individual items :O

I guess this means that we don't have to buy DAZ products any more, we just download the images and make composite images. Today I was thinking of uploading some of my images to the gallery but I think I'll wait to see how this one evolves. Catlin

The DAZ license allows people to use images produced from our products for pretty much whatever they like as described in the EULA. We believe that exposing our ScreamDesign.com subscribers to the website and letting them start "thinking" about how they can use these images for their production work will result in new paying customers through DAZ Studio. We will be discussing the involvement of our Published Artists partners in the PA forum next week. When they understand the details of the campaign and our projected results we believe that most if not all will be fully on board with our strategy. We are confident that we can grow the market for DAZ Original and Published Artists' products by 100's of % this year. This will allow us to continue creating more product and continue to drive prices down. This will allow our Published Artist partners to continue to increase their revenue on their product. Anybody that has downloaded the DAZ Studio Alpha with Content will know that with our scene strategy, we want to make it very painless to use our products. Our goal is "Load and Render". Then when people have some confidence they will start down the path of changing poses, lights, props, clothing etc. We would certainly invite more feedback on how to make this offering more appealing and perhaps less ambiguous. We would also request that you consider the possibility that what from an outside view appear "stupid", may actually be just the thing to "substantially" increase the number of customers purchasing products and becoming a part of this community. Everybody wins under this scenario, even our competitors. We will follow-up with more details on Monday. Bryan Brandenburg DAZ Staff

Attached Link: http://www.poserpros.com

Eeks, I forgot to mention that I own the copyrights to most of the Popup Images that demonstrate Stephanie 1. Please do not include those in this group of free clipart either. Thanks Again :) Liz Birdsong-Cook/Mehndi

"Our goal is "Load and Render"." - Bryan Brandenburg

Oh, eeew, ick. Instant art. Just add water. Talent optional. sigh This used to be such a peaceful town once... ;]

Ironbear, Sounds a little bit like Microsoft?

Liz if this is the first that you have heard of the PA forum then you must not have recieved Published artist's newsletters earlier this year, when it was announced. there have been issues with outdated or incorrect email addresses in the merchant database. please contact your merchant rep to rectify this situation.

Folks we are still trying to iron out the mixup that has occured, obviously things should have been done in a different order and organized better. all we can say is we are working to rectify the situation. but it cant be done until DAZ is back in their offices and can discuss with us what should happen. Will DuprDAZ|Forum team

This reeks of my Real Estate Agent telling me she was listing my home for sale "As Is" only to not do so and now I'm in the middle of a contract where the buyer thinks he can make me "Negotiate" terms!

"Oh, eeew, ick. Instant art. Just add water. Talent optional." - Ironbear I'd appreciate it if no-one took this post as in any way defending DAZ, who I increasingly see as... well, let's not go there eh? However I would like to address one aspect of "Instant Art" as a concept - not necessarily how it may apply to DAZ Studio, but on a wider canvas. I'm pretty sure that when photography reared it's technological head painters worldwide screamed in horror "instant art! Yeuck". I'm absolutely positive that when single-button and/or auto-developing cameras came on the scene "serious" photographers screamed "Euch, Instant Art! How tacky!". I know for a fact that when Poser got popular enough, REAL "3D artists" held their heads in their hands and shoock with outrage. Oh the shame, the shame! Twiddle a few dials and that's it - instant "art"! I'm not saying that DAZ Studio. "DAZ Clipart", or DAZ's latest foul-up in any way resembles the above scenarios, but the idea that making the tools that facilitate expressing oneself through art easier is somehow wrong strikes an odd chord with me. I'm absolutely positive that, as with the various improvements in easy-to-use cameras (I now have a 5MP model myself, and a "near photo quality" printer) and 3D software, more people will be able to churn out incredibly tacky, talentless images. I'd say that only around 50%-75% of my photographs do their job, and that less than 25% are what I MIGHT be tempted to call "art" (some are simply "texture sources" for example, to use in 3D). However, I'm sure a talented artist can do a lot more/better with the same tool than a newbie to the field - indeed, while my photographic abilities are poor they're hugely better than when I got my first digital camera (I've moved up to better, harder-to-use tools that allow for higher quality results). So, I THINK my standpoint on the idea of "Instant Art" nowadays is somewhat mellowed - I don't think that software that makes a job easier without having to spend years learning that software is "blatantly a bad thing", I think it's mostly down to who has the creativity to produce and who is a talentless hack producing join-the-dots trash. To me. Who uses the tool at its most basic, against who pushed the envelope and uses the tool to go just that bit further. This in no way, IMHO, excuses DAZ's (once again) rather bizzarre behaviour, nor the fact that as usual they've chosen to do something stupid and then buffer off for the weekend. It's ALMOST as if they can turn around and say "well, a whole weekend has passed - it's already done now, no chance we can 'take it back'. You've gotta love the Daz "Weekend Confusion" policy that's STILL in operation, even after all the previous PR cockeral-ups! (and I suspect at the end of the days that's gonna be their defence -"it's a good idea really, we just screwed up on how we announced it. Again. As usual. Have a cookie"). Still - instant art? I doubt it. It'd be nice if we could get nearer the Science Fiction type scenario of "transparent software" though - software that's so intuitive/easy to use that you don't even realise you're using it, you're just doing the TASK (producing art/company memos/captain's logs...) Cheers, Cliff Bowman

DAZ is getting very good at taking what is not theirs to take... must be the practice. Unless DAZ has written permissions from each and every copyright holder, this is an extremely foolhardy thing to do. From what I have heard, most of the people who are being ripped off don't even know about it... yet. Growing a market is one thing. Assuming that everybody is just as greedy and will give up their rights for a few pennies more is something else again. Those right-clickers are not going to stop at the product pages or at the pop-ups... they will go for the galleries as fast as a mouse can click. And those artists aren't even going to benefit from any possible sales. Nothing but heartache as they try to retrieve what DAZ has so casually given to the public domain. After all of these years of copyright problems, with art being tubed or slathered over web pages by people who pretend not to know English, and publication of thefts in these various forums, I would like to think that there was at least a minimal amount of knowledge about copyright law... especially from a company which has fought so vigorously to protect its own copyrights. Carolly

I'm pretty sure that when DAZ manage to work out all of the interpretations of what they've put up on the web ("unlimited access to all the images on the DAZ original images on our website excluding the gallery" indeed!!!) that they will claim "Oops, this is the usual marketing typos situation again, we didn't mean that we meant THIS...". For example I'm pretty sure they'll say it's meant to be only images from DAZ Original products and that for some reason or other they expect their ScreamDesign people to respectfully ignore images from the gallery and/or for brokered products. They don't seem keen in general on being clear or consise about...well, anything really :( Even if this turns out to be the case, this would still leave a bit of a query for images of "DAZ Originals" which aren't DAZ copyright free and clear (such as if artists have produced renders for DAZ's product page advertising). Not to mention the "What do you mean, ANOTHER marketing guff? You cannot be serious!" aspect. How many times are DAZ going to drop a bomb on Friday then arrive Monday morning all smarmy smiles and "Oops, no that was just an error"??? . I'm finding it increasingly difficult to give credibility to DAZ being THIS incompetant. They can't be - can they? As for copyright - you don't have to look far through their web site to see how much respect they give to the idea of other companies/people having copyrights. Admittedly I tread some of the same dangerus grounds as they do, but I also don't put as much on the line as they do, or benefit from it commercially. Cliff Bowman

Perhaps an april joke, yeah >_

Oh no....this can't be good...Sharen

For the record I realize you posted that brokers in the PA forum were alerted, but I'm a broker and I wasn't alerted because I do not have PA Forum access. I declined to sign the NDA because I didn't want any conflicts in regards to 3-D Arena should there ever be an occasion where releases matched due to current trends. It just seemed the ethical thing to do and DAZ understood. However I haven't received a merchant newsletter since and if I didn't recieve the Screamdesign newsletter I never would have known this. All that said, I do see that DAZ specified their own images only, but the problem is that those who do not use Poser or d|S may not understand the difference in the products. Not that I care abot my images personally, but I'm sure some vendors might.

I'm thinking along the lines of hauksdottir..........."Those right-clickers are not going to stop at the product pages or at the pop-ups". Too many times in this very forum I have seen reports of others using peoples art from here or making tubes then claiming the ensuing images to be their own work. This could not only become a problem for merchants who don't want to have their art downloaded, but also the artists who upload their art to DAZ. Catlin

clutches my images to my chest and runs away

I've got a good vocabulary, but I don't think there are any words in English to describe what DAZ is doing to themselves... and to us all.

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Exactly hauksdottir. This is so remeniscent of Microsofts tactics, don't you think?