Hello! With all respect I absolutly do not agree with Wub and Marcusbacus.You have to put some efforts,some skills,some artistic taste to an image.I created many one layer images,but it does not mean that they came to me like one, two,three. It is easy to see which flame images are done without any effort.They are on black background,same coloring like others,with similar shapes. With randomly generated images sooner or later they will look the same,and what more important they will loose an author own style. And I think this is main problem with Apophysis. When I look at UF image I can -in most cases- guess,who is an author and it does not matter if image is great or just average.People very quickly develop their own styles. But with Apohysis it is very hard to do it,unless-guess what-You put a lot of effort.And even with it You have to use other programs. But the reason that more and more people use Apophysis is that is very easy to get "nice" images without any effort. It looks like UF looses battle with Apophysis at Renderosity and in resaults we see that artistic level on this site is much lower then let say one year ago. Whay kind of images we have at Hot20? Greetings..............Wojtek..........