With all respect I absolutly do not agree with Wub and > Marcusbacus. You have to put some efforts, some > skills, some artistic taste to an image. Well then you are actually agreeing with me. I said my flame images took less effort than my (better) UF images, not that they took none. > With randomly generated images sooner or later they will > look the same ,and what more important they will loose an > author own style. > And I think this is main problem with Apophysis. I wasn't encouraging people to rely on totally random flames. Apophysis isn't going to pop up with a great image on its own. Of course it takes some effort to develop a personal style with flames, perhaps more effort than with Ultra Fractal because your choices are more limited, and flames already have a "style" of their own. > But the reason that more and more people use Apophysis is > that is very easy to get "nice" images without any effort. Well maybe, and some people are going to settle for "nice" random images (and I guess there's no reason that some people shouldn't settle for that). But that's not the program's fault: it's just a tool. Mark