errr it's not discredited your just shying away from it, glossing over it as if there is nothing there. I love it when people steal images that say do not steal and then say oh its nothing I'm not hurting anybody. Ya know when images from the poser gallery are stolen by other sites posted as their own the whole poser community gets on a bandwagon and rips them a new one. But when someone rips something off from a company and crops the image and doesn't give credit to the original person and someone brings it up they get bashed and told to go hang a rope. Stars sue all the time for photographers invading their privacy and using illegally gotten photos. Normal people sue when their image is used in an unflatterning way and they have not given permission on TV shows or film etc. yet when this is brought up about digital cloning everybody screams fair use or tryed to stiffle the person. it gets me very mad for a very personal reason. Idenity theft, stealing of web images have both happened very close to me, and it IS a relevant part of the discussion. since the Mod's don't care, Rend doesn't care I won't anymore. care on nothing from me on the topic anymore........