I think most folks understand that it's just a texture on a bunch of polygons, but there are some who are offended, and I respect their point of view as well as the rest. I don't know why this keeps getting dragged up again. If you don't like the rules the site puts down, go. It's that simple. You know they are not going to change it no matter what your argument might be, so why keep wasting time on it? I don't care one way or the other. But obviously renderosity does or they wouldn't have written the tos the way they did. Marque