heyas; i'm sure you'll like dragon factory, mike :) there is a gallery; in fact, i just posted some pics that coldrake made with the models -- he's doing a wonderful job! i haven't posted any comments by users, though coldrake has given me tons of praise along those lines. i dunno, seems a bit immodest. steve shanks also wrote a review at internet eye magazine, over down in poserworld land. (there's a link to the review on the front page.) the gallery is working, rain... but it does use javascript for semi-security purposes, and that does't work with all the browsers. ::sigh:: yes, well, but back on topic... um, er oh yeah! some of them draggie pics i did, i did in vue! (really, i did! sikkanth is even unretouched!)