Gareee, LOL I had the opposite problem. I registered at the lightwave forum and couldn't get the file to dl but I got the 3ds one to dl ok from the other site. Go figure. Ah well mark it for something to do tomorrow - their servers might be having problems or our security options might be getting the better of us. Anyrate I'm gonna see if I can get a better render outta the one I got, and give up til tommorrow trying to get the other one. a couple of new sites to check out and a new spaceship model to play around with: all-in-all not too bad. - TJ