To Rob. My issues with the system crashes and sluggish feedback are in no way a reflection on the work you have put into the product. I do understand the difference between a finished product and a wip. I actually like the interface better than Poser's in most cases and the rendering is faster than Poser's. It is that some of my issues and those raised by others since the first version seem not to have been corrected or improved. I'm sorry that I and some others have missed some of the finer points of using the program and have complained about things that are easily addressd but is that any reason for the sarcasm, Rob? We don't know the program as well as the creator, so give us a break. DBMiller