@Misha883 I'm happy to hear that you are able to recognize me now when my garb is Italian Ren (more or less) instead of what I was wearing when I gave that class: The Feileadh Mor (Great Kilt). Same cup then and now. In any case, Well met! BTW, if you lost your handout for that class, I could send you a copy. Re: DSM IV ... you might be thinking of OCD ... about which my Psych professor in the early 70's said, "In the trade, we refer to them as Obsessive Repulsives." LOL MGD