Just ran a quicky test with the functional part of the rendergarden. There was no effect on the GDI handles either loading the Poser figure or running the network engine (as there shouldn't have been...but better certain); it was all related to the actual interface (which is a relief; that should be a much easier fix than having to rip out the renderer's guts). It also explains why the Cows seem so well behaved; they don't have an active GUI front end And I -think- I know what you are referring to John, but I can't for the life of me remember what it referenced... Also, we share a similar workflow; most of my motion work is done in Poser, and the rest is adjusting Vue around that motion pathway. This might be a big clue, it might it might....