Rob, thank you for your well stated reply to my letter. It was perhaps more thoughtfull and understanding than I deserved. Since last night I have posted a D|S image in the gallery just to show off the nice render it puts out and to show I haven't given up on it just because of some glitches. It's still a bit sluggish but I'm getting the hang of it. I use Lightwave and it uses a graphical control for lights and objects as well as numerical so I welcome them in D|S. So, I will take my own advice (and hope ming will too) and give you a break. Thank You.