hmm nice , crescent.. at least there also are some ways to creativefully use tons of cliparts too :) btw it is a good feat you achieved, in p5. But what for P4 users ? it won't work... well anyway, after the blackline fixing, it was the secodn thing i managed to learn how to handle (textured clothes). Can show you some uses of it (on mayaX bbs there is a thread with a redhair girl wearing a logo tshirt i made...) and also for cellshaded look of texture, i have "Morning Swimmer", a good example of when i finally got it right after many attempts... my 2 cents/point would be: it is rather easier to do this through layering/compositing than trying to achieve this in poser itself (hmm in p4 i mean, i cannot judge for p5 features, do not have it) can mix up preview modes on variosu elemetns (mix cartoon, textured, smooth ones, but usually it is dull) see ya and thanx for your work ! (if you want the trick for compositing a "texured cloth layer", just ask i'll try to explain"