hehehe thanks Insomnia I'll check those tutorials out later, I took a quick look at the Lamborghini one will have a go at it, see what I end up with :) I was having some trouble making some shapes but managed to figure some solutions out, but the car tuts look like they use the method I needed to use. Yeah it is very ambitious which is why I kept it quiet until I was confident I could pull it off lol, but after I got the tracks and gun in place I looked at it and thought yup thats Boneparte so posted it here for all to look at :) My eventual goal is to create some power armour like the Landmates used in Appleseed. I think they will be 'kick ass' to coin Senshi's phrase :) I know that's what I would buy if it was in the MP.