Carolly, I'm intrigued by your beta-tester categories, because when I needed beta-testers, I discovered a 3rd group. Those who would LOVE to beta-test, but never actually get around to doing it. I picked out 10 testers from the Rosity members, all people I thought had a wide range of skills, and mailed them to ask if they would test a product. 9 said 'Yes, I'd love to', and 1 couldn't, but I found a 10th to make up the group. Well, after a month, I still didn't have a single report and after contacting them all, got 10 different reasons why none of them could manage to do it. By that time, of course, I'd already found most of the bugs myself. I did another week of intensive testing, made a couple of fixes and submitted the product, (which has now been on sale for 6 months with no apparent problems). I'm sure I was just unlucky, but ever since then, I've done my own beta-testing. mac