"I used to defend them. Not any more." Well, this is a sad day. I'm seeing that phrase, or similar, more and more often recently, and AFAICS DAZ still don't even recognise the common thread that holds all the comments together. I'd like to say at this junture that DAZ have recognised the train they're on and are changing trains even as we speak. That they don't admire the way that Microsoft tends to stifle innovation from others in the form of parties too small to seriously call "competition". That they have a "moral center" that isn't based upon avarice, which is even now grounding them back into decent and above all thoughtful behaviour. I'd like to - but I couldn't do anything of the kind with a straight face and a clear conscience. It's a hard life trying to shout "stop pithing in the wind, DAZ!" when you're downwind from them :( Cheers, Cliff