"Course things will get even more confusing soon when Daz Studio gets released" Well, there's something to look forward to :) Judging by experience to date: For some PC users, P4 will be the best most stable option. It will also be the MOST compatible platform for products released prior to the beta release of DAZ Studio. For some PC users P5 will prove more stable as well as more capable, although not as immediately compatible with older products or products released in ignorance of the program. For a third set of PC users DAZ|Studio will actually be the more stable, provide different workflow, and offer them the best mix of speed/stability/functionality. In terms of capability it will be better than P4, and different to pro pack or P5. It wil be the cheapest of all options to get an initial render from, and potentially the most expensive to get to do what you want. Pro Pack users will be in a similar position to all of the above, findign it has the best stability/functionality mix (and woks with other programs). Likewise there will be 4 different contrary sets of experiences among the Mac users. PC users will probably complain that none of the newer software (P5/DAZ Studio) works under Win95/98 like it ought to. Mac users will bitterly recount tales of the same software not performing under OS9. Both sides will glare at the other and smugly insist that the other person has an inferior machine with an Operating System that is a rip-off cludge from someone else's work. No-one will dare consider where DAZ got the idea for DAZ Studio. Whenever any poor innocent asks a question like "Pro Pack, P5, or DAZ Studio - which should I try next after Poser Artist?" all 8-10 groups of poserites will respond as if their own cases are the only type of experience to be had (or at least the only one tha matters) and firmly recommend that the user avoid P5/pro pack/DAZ Studio/beer/whatever at all costs to avoid heartache. Then Microsoft will release a new version of Windows and everything will stop working except for Mac users - until Apple release their next OS version! The DAZ renderer will also time out, to make sure that DS users can't benefit from the more modern code working better with the new OS releases. The cost of coloured pencils will rise alarmingly due to demand. Cheers, Cliff