"Why, aren't we prescient?" Nah, just jaded :( "The bad thing about permanent media is that there is no undo button" That's what we used to use "rubbers" for (I believe the correct term now is "erasors" due to "rubbers" being appropriated for...something else). "The good thing is that 500 years later pencil work can still be appreciated" Only 500 years? Granted cavemen didn't have true pencils per se, but clay/crayon/pencil/paint TYPE artwork has been known to outlast our digital scrawlings by, well, a significant period :) You've just reminded me of some "sketches" I did on a Macintosh way back when (by which I mean the first launched version of the Mac, not a Mac Plus or anythign fancy like that IIRC). Hmmm, might still have them somewhere (printouts that is - from the Apple dot-matrix printer of the day I suspect... the disks with the images on are long gone). Kim Wilde, an ex-girlfriend of mine, some odd creatures IIRC (annoyingly a friend of the family, otherwise a complete dullard, produced a far better drawing with MacPaint than I ever could and in considerably less time - I might even still have that). I wonder what box they're in? Sigh - they'll turn up next time I'm looking for something else (they usually do!). I must admit that I've got a sufficient system to test DS out on, and could even isolate it (mostly) from my main system so the risk is lower for me, perhaps, than for most - and I still haven't found time to actually try out DS. I guess work and/or people are more important to me in at least the last few months (now THERE is a bizzarre statement for a computer addict!). I think the lack of Poser 5 support (features like hair and cloth plus compatability issues) is a major aspect of my being... unmotivated in that area. Cheers, Cliff