I've not read the "soft pornographers" quote directly - I haven't the time to wade through searching for all the threads (don't get me wrong, G.I.R.L. is an impressive bit of work but not the be-all and end-all of my day). I can't help but wonder at the exact nature of the comment and the context. What part, I wonder, of "soft pornographers" is meant to be detrimental? Bear with me. Having checked and double-checked how much more anatomically complete G.I.R.L. appears to be than most Poser "female" models (based on some of the now-famous renders from the original artist) I wonder if maybe it's the "soft" that he looked/looks down on, not the "pornography" part. But that's just the inquisitive side of me :) Cheers, Cliff