yes i understand, for sure; especially when most clothconverting solutions are expensive and may requires much moe work to switch from v2/v3 to mayadoll than the daz to daz way... and yes i know that yuka is a head on a vicky, but the body was reshaped a little... you say cloth coverter gives out good results for yadoll ? could you how examples and maybe (with agreement from cloth makers first) post a few exemple of converted cr2 clothes ?(i asked markdc about that, he says that the licence of cloth covnerter did not forbid to post things -ak cloth coversions- made with itas far as he was concerned, but required approval from the cloth maker in first place) anywya vicky basic is not to my taste.. too occidental maybe. I rather like tenten. As for mayadoll even if she is a yougn character (and AD too), she is interesting though she has issues (made a thread about all MD/AD issues so far after nearly 1 year of existence); some pieces of herself are good, in shape or in bending, others are less good. but i really like her overall look...