sandmarine:- Take this as comfort/consolation. I quit my job (oh, must be 10 years ago or so) to work for myself for less than half salary just so I could look myself in the mirror and say "There's a nice, honest guy". It worked almost as planned. Nowadays I have to say "there's a fat nice, honest guy", but the important bit is in there for me :) I do what I love and I love what I do. People keep asking me why I so rarely take holidays (I hve taken more in the 2 years sinc emy son was born than in the previous 10, maybe 15 years put together) and I have to ask them "what for?". Especially since they expect me to take the family along :( We're not ALL abut making phoney "philosophy" statements. Some of us really DO live by what we say :) An old comment/request of mine - say what you do and do what you say. Cheers, Cliff