Thanks PhilC, I just went thru the Editing Joint Parameters part of your CD and it helped me understand envelopes. Is there a way to make unselectable the figure you are trying to conform the clothes to as far as display of its joint parameters. I keep adjusting parameters and then have to undo because I was working with the figure instead of the clothes. Also is it me or sometimes Poser will stop giving you feedback and you will have to dial a pose to see if the change you did fixed the pokethru.